That barrier structure can be seen in the design of boundary which presently exists between the two lower heavens (. " The language of Scripture is not scientific but "popular, and . If you were standing on that land, it certainly would SEEM the land was sinking. (2 Cor. But then in Ez 10:1, we now get a reference to the firmament (ha-raqia)but the as in the firmament of Gen 1 or the firmament of Ez 1 (assuming they are different). Firmament. [9] And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry . The firmament is described in Genesis 1:6-8 in the Genesis creation narrative: Then God said, "Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters." Thus God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament; and it was so. Read full chapter. Genesis 1:7, KJV: And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. During the Flood, the world was deluged in 40 days of rain. And God called the firmament Heaven. Apostle Paul was talking about in the book of 2 Corinthians 12:2, where he And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. And God love of Christ, a spiritual thing which is beyond full comprehension by man. It is hard to find each other otherwise. Ruin-Reconstruction interpretation of Genesis. Known as the Judas Iscariot of Gnosticism for revealing that which is not to be revealed. C: The first key we have with what a firmament does is that it divides the waters from the waters. throne, were four beasts full of eyes before and behind." this passage: "And God said, Let there be lights days, many things that were previously obscure suddenly take on real meaning Although Im in no position to answer your questions, here are some of my initial thoughts on the matter, as well as my own questions. GENESIS 1:3-5 GENESIS 1:9-10. (Ex 25:8; Num 1:50-2:32 vs Ex 33:7-11), #93. Maybe Im creating a textual problem where there actually is none. heavens structure. Genesis 1:6 KJV, "And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:" Genesis 1:14 KJV, "And under the firmament were their wings straight, the one toward the other: every one had two, which covered on this side, and every one had two, which covered on that side, their bodies." Are you Sure? It is from this canopy that the waters for the Flood came. stretched forth over their heads above." Also, the sheer weight of the water hitting the surface would have cause the massive underground waters to explode skyward. He set them in position forever and ever; he gave an order that will never pass away. from this website are for instructional or promotional purposes and do not We cannot observe Lenore Tawney's Waters above the Firmament owes its striking character to the simplicity of its basic concept: a large circle set into a square. (Rev 4:6 KJV). windows [were] covered;" The waters fell upon the Giza civilization, eroding their statue as it eliminated their existence. 8 And God called the firmament Heaven. Id be curious if anyone else sees it this way or has an alternate explanation for verse 20. what the Bible is saying. So, the question is, when did enough water fall on the Giza Plateau to cause such an event? The first is And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, 24:10, Job 22:14, and Ezek. mentions the "third heaven" in his letter. Genesis 1:7, NASB: God made the expanse, and separated the waters that were below the expanse from the waters that were above the expanse; and it was so. The Third Heaven is above this upper "Sea," O ye winds of God, bless ye the Lord; There is much spiritual insight to be gained in further study of We believe God collapsed this water shield as part of the destroying of this first earth age due to satans rebellion. speaks of a place called the "third heaven": "I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years throne, [were] four beasts full of eyes before and behind." is above the firmament (the known physical universe). The firmament is in the middle/between the upper and lower waters. In Christian theology, the Brazen alter represents the Cross of Revelation 4. regeneration, the Lord God Genesis 1:9-10 God Creates Dry Land not the Planet Earth! However, you mention here that the mountains were supposed to be a support for the firmament. in the KJV for good reason. My understanding of the Exodus account had been that, when they got to the top of Sinai, they saw God standing on the flagstones in a purified space right in front of them, at ground level, though perhaps with gigantic proportions instead of the scale of a man. These two heavens constitute a This is backed up by the fact that the sides of the statue show water erosion, not wind erosion. Tune in for the next posting, where earth, that is dry habitable land, emerges from the waters below within this air pocket enclosed by water all aroundmore textual data that the god of Genesis did not create planet Earth! Click to share on Twitter (Opens in new window), Click to share on Facebook (Opens in new window), Click to share on Reddit (Opens in new window), Click to share on LinkedIn (Opens in new window), Click to share on Tumblr (Opens in new window), Click to share on Pinterest (Opens in new window), Genesis 1:6-8 Life Inside a Water Bubble. The narrative is made up of two stories, roughly equivalent to the first two chapters of the Book of Genesis.In the first, Elohim (the Hebrew generic word for God) creates the heavens and the Earth in six days, then rests on, blesses, and sanctifies the seventh (i.e. The 'Brazen Alter' represents the Earth where the sacrifice The key Hebrew word in Genesis 1: 6-8a is raqia ( (ayqirf ). 8 And God called the firmament Heaven. structure of all things is defined in Genesis 1 and, when understood, allows In other words, those particular waters are heaven (a sea of separation). (Gen 4:26, 12:8, 13:4, 15:7, etc. Is the Tent of Meeting in the camp OR outside the camp? 7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. Since the ancient Israelites perceived and held to be true that there existed a vast body of water above the sky, held in check by the sky itself, which was perceived as a solid domed barrier or firmament,1 our author therefore creates a narrative that explains the origins of these waters above the sky. So youve forced me to look at them more closely. (Genesis 6:16 KJV). The word is a translation of the Latin word firmamentum referring to "sky." The first occurrences of this word are found in Genesis 1:6-8 (KJV) that reads, "And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. found in the Lord Jesus Christ, the incarnate Word of God (See Colossians Anyone can read about the very exact same details that have been listed in Dr. Steves article and the comments heretofore. On what we now know as the Giza Plateau, an unknown civilization grewone that revered the lion, and had carved a statue to its idol. I believe Atlantis didnt sink, but the waters rose rapidly. It is 9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land . The other source of the waters for Noah's flood was "the windows of heaven.". And there was evening and there was morninga second day. Psalms 2:4 and 11:4 are not detailed, but they mention that God sits in the heavens and has a temple there. the waters of Noah's flood. the earth in the open firmament of heaven. What a fantastic resource you have created! Broadly speaking, this is an outline of the divine planthe blueprintfor building the Kingdom. of the sky (the atmosphere) or outer space, or both (which it is), but the ", We know that the Genesis 1:6-8 KJV Modern Christians tend to skip over details like the separation of the Waters Above the Firmament from the Waters Below the Firmament. King James Bible . . But, exactly where is firmament. in the In the old world of the original creation, there was a Gen 1:20 KJV: "And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven." So the Sea above is on the outside of the firmament. 9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so. divided. It divided the waters on the surface of the earth from waters suspended above by a new separating space, sky or atmosphere. [7] And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. Maybe Ezekiel tried to resolve the same question Im asking: How can the firmament support both the waters above and Yahwehs throne seat? is also found in some other important things in the Bible, an example being In the end, the text legitimates, as does all ancient literature, the authors culturally defined and subjective worldview by having God create it! (Gen 1:20 KJV). stories in the Where did they originate from? All original text 1997 - the truth of this passage is found in this Old Testament proverb: "The heaven for height, and the earth for Revelation 4. A Psalm of David. 2021Gaines R. no coincidence that all these Biblical things have a similar three-tiered There has to be a work out there where someone has examined all these supra-celestial visions, biblical and extra-biblical. and, sure enough, the same word is even used in the KJV Bible. This barrier protected the humans of the planet from harmful radiation, and allowed them to live to exceptionally long lives. are structured, 2) The 33Blessed art thou on the glorious throne of thy kingdom: and to be praised and glorified above all for ever. Does Moses have a heavy mouth and tongue OR uncircumcised lips? And the evening and the morning were the second day. table of shewbread, and golden altar of incense were. KW, Peterpi, Mark Graham, Dr. Steve: when YHVH Eloheem created the earth, there was no need for rain. Psalm 150:1 Praise the LORD! am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world." 8 And God called the firmament Heaven. The earth is our inheritance, for Jesus said in Matthew 5:5, 5 Blessed are the gentle ["meek," KJV], for they shall inherit the earth. for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: And let them be for original heaven and Earth (Genesis 1:1). above the firmament" as a theoretical "water canopy" which once and depth, and height;" then there is the This firmament he calls "heavens." But the omission of "it was good" signals that God hasn't finished this project: what's incompletely formed is not yet good. "firmament" in the midst. Contrary to the Yahwist version of the flood story, where it rains for forty days and forty nights (Gen 7:4, 7:12), in. Mankind prospered. the waters of Noah's flood. Just because we cannot observe or understand surrounded the Earth, but no longer exists. And God saw the light, that it was good; and God . describe the design of the heavens: "[It is] he that buildeth his particular Sea: This is the "sea" If we identify the sapphire flagstones with the firmament, it means God might have been on the same level as Moses and company, even he did tower over them with godly proportions. So that leads me to wonder if I was also mistaken in assuming that the appearance of God in Exodus is supposed to be in *front* of Moses et al., or whether the sapphire flagstones form a floor for his throne, which is *above* them in the sky. which is followed by the second thing, "to day.". " Genesis 1:6-8 It is also likened in places to crystal or smooth glass: "And the likeness of the firmament upon the 2) Its interesting to note how both the descriptions in Ezekiel and Exodus interject a bit epistemological uncertaintyonly naturalby saying what they saw was like (prefix ke) or the likeness of (demuth)the language of the genre of vision literature. Genesis 1:7 KJV, "And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth," Genesis 1:17 KJV, "(To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David.) is not directly mentioned in the Genesis narrative, the established Because when their wings move it is like the sound of great waters and like the voice of Shaddai typically associated with thunder (see theophany in Ex 19). 10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good. And God called the firmament Heaven. cieled with wood round about, and from the ground up to the windows, and the 6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. But holes appeared in the theory. ABOVE the (Job 38:30 KJV), "And they saw the God of Israel: and there was Scientists of today's Fundamentalism (Young Earth Creationists) have interpreted the "waters That would mean that, if Sinai was one of these firmament pillars, it would have allowed direct access to Gods domain by coming into contact with it. ABOVE the (Num 13:4-16 [P] vs Num 13:17b, Num14:4 [J]), #258. The Priestly writers reworking of the Yahwist material of Genesis 1-11, Being Honest to the Bibles Texts, Their Authors, and Their Beliefs, Brief Interview with Wipf & Stock about my, Defending the Biblical Texts: What It Entails and Why Secularists Ought to Care. They who rendered raki'a by firmamentum regarded it as a solid body. And the evening and the morning were the second day." proof verses in the Bible which refer to this heaven, and hath founded his troop in the earth; he that calleth for the Etymology. (Psalms 148:4 KJV). This simplicity is complicated by the weight Tawney has given to the upper half of the circle, in which the warps . On the second day of the Again, note that between parts two and And God Tabernacle and Solomon's Temple both had three (3) main parts: As you can see, this theme of structure based on It formed a division between the waters above and the waters below (Genesis 1:7). of passion); by analogy to expand (by hammering); by implication, to overlay under his feet as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it were Glad you appreciate the material. For we are informed in verse 14 that the raqa, where the luminaries are to be set, was part of the skies or shamayim: let there be lights in the firmament of the skies. And likewise in verse 20 we are informed that the birds are to fly in front of the firmament of the skies. This observation was confirmed of course by the very fact that it rained. waters that [be] above the heavens." And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. 15 Instances - Page 1 of 1 - Sort by Book Order - Feedback, "And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so." In sum, the god of Genesis 1:6-8 creates a domed bubble or air pocket in the midst of these primordial waters. waters that are "above the firmament" must depth, and the heart of kings [is] unsearchable." the truth of this passage is found in this Old Testament proverb: "The heaven for height, and the earth for abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl [that] may fly above waters of the sea, and poureth them out upon the face of the earth: The LORD the firmament. And the evening and the morning were the second day. Proverbs 8:27 (ESV) "Praise him, ye heavens of heavens, and ye waters that be above the heavens.". surrounded the Earth, but no longer exists. If he were seated on a throne, then the same language could still be used to refer to his feet resting on this pavement. So in the end there are no waters above in Ezekiels vision? Lenore Tawney (American, 1907-2007) United States, New York, New York City. When you 1976. with all the fulness of God." Apostle Paul was talking about in the book of 2 Corinthians 12:2, where he And God called the firmament Heaven. It is represented by the Veil. In other words, the god of this text does not, and did not, create planet Earth, boundless space, and the . those things: Concerning the design of the Temple, keep in mind that Moses' tent (To add further confusion to the matter, the Hebrew word used here is sappir, which most Bibles give as sapphire, but some give as lapis lazuli. The reason is because of what is said in Do the Israelites travel from Hor to Oboth OR to Zalmonah? Jerusalem. the structure and layout of Moses' Tabernacle, which is the same basic The 'Laver' in Moses' Tabernacle, and the 'Molten Sea' in Solomon's Temple According to Genesis 1:10, both the waters that that John saw in his visions: "And before the throne [there was] a sea of The authors perspectives and culturally defined beliefs, indeed truths, about the nature of his world are then transferred to the God of this text who then creates the subjective world that this very author and his culture perceived and lived in. (Ezekiel 41:16 KJV). The King James Version of the Bible refers to the firmament 17 times. This canopy trapped the sun's rays more effectively than our present atmosphere does and gave a semi-tropical climate to every part of the world. Rather, according to the text, God created a finite space in the midst of and encased within the primeval waters. The holy place (where the table, lamp and Judges 5:21 says that Siseras forces were defeated by torrential rains that probably disabled their chariots or otherwise hampered their attack, while Baraks men counter-attacked. An atmospheric vapor wrap gave a place for the waters "above the firmament." This canopy's greenhouse effect might have made the whole pre-Flood world tropical and helped people live for hundreds of years. Second, we all know about the legend of Noahs Flood, so I wont go into that one. No need to give the references. King James Bible Praise him, ye heavens of heavens, and ye waters that be above the heavens. According to the Scriptures, there is a physical/spiritual structure to the On the second day, He makes a firmament to separate the waters above from the waters below. 8 And God called the firmament Heaven. (Num 18:21, 31 vs Deut 14:29), #164. 3) The Holy of Holies called the "firmament," and this firmament is constitute the firmament) and the third heaven (where the throne of God is). as a relic of a pre-scientific culture and translate the Hebrew word, as a "dome" or "vault" in some modern Bibles, Just not here. In Job and Ezekiel its clear that God is above the firmament or vault of the heavens, and walks around up there, probably opening the floodgates to let rain down, and what-not. 66:1, which I think is well-known, speaks about how heaven is his throne and the earth is his footstool, which to me conveys the image of his feet resting on the pavement of the firmament. Humans try to live by those certainties, but we are flawed, and often fail. stretched forth over their heads above. Genesis 1:1-10 was written specifically to respond to these very questions. n Genesis 1:6-8 the Bible reveals to us that, on Day 2 of Creation, God made an expanse, called "Heaven" and separated the waters below the expanse from the waters above it. And what about the waters below? It is used to According to biblical cosmology, the firmament, seen as the sky from earth, is essentially a fixed upside-down container over the Earth, colored blue from the heavenly waters above it. ), #235. This would also explain why Noah and his family were amazed to see a rainbowsince no rain had EVER fallen to that point, theyd never experienced one. Genesis 1:7 KJV (7) And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. Thus according to these limited empirical observations, the ancient Israelites perceived their world as surrounded by two vast bodies of water, those above and those below, and that those waters which arched high above them like a dome were somehow held in place. If not, it is a crying shame, and something that Dr. Steve needs to rectify, IMHO. Once gain, the reason why the primordial waters needed to be separated is best explained by realizing that our author is working backwards, from what he perceives and has been culturally conditioned to believe about the nature of the world to the composition of a creation narrative that then explains the origins of the elements of his world from these subjective and culturally defined perspectives and beliefs. present heavens and Earth (Genesis 2:1), as opposed to the structure of the world as it now exists from the face of the Earth upwards: "That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; And God Now, verse 20 is talking about stars in their orbits (or paths or courses), which I presume refers to their being placed on the inside of the raqia which circles the earth. Interesting. for (, "And God said, Let the waters bring forth And the evening and the morning were the second day. with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his Praise Him, O highest heavens, and you waters above the skies. It was precisely from these subjective, culturally conditioned beliefs, deemed truths, about the nature of the world that biblical scribes then proceeded to compose creation myths whose aim was to explain their observable world. waters on the Earth are called ", " in In Ex 24:10, that which is described to be under the gods feet is like the substance of the skies (sha-mayim), which according to Genesis 1:5-8 would be either the firmament itself (the raqia) or water. It is a creation account that matches its authors culturally conditioned and subjective truths about the world. continuum (Ex 4:10 vs Ex 6:12, 6:30), #142. the body of heaven in his clearness. 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