Nonethe less Chritian literally transliterated is Christ one or one of Christ Brown brings a word of courage and hope and then speaks with imprisoned Christian leader Torben Sonderagard live.Dr. Again something inside me drive me to ask if she was related to someone who had a 275 pound tumor. Are FEARMONGERS walking by the Holy Spirit? The leg lengthening thing Ive seen happen in real life and, no, it wasnt a trick because I knew everyone involved and they were almost as shocked as I was. The One True God of the bible is NOT NORMAL NOR NATURAL. believe this authentic move of the Holy Spirit is only recent..? Friends are expressing dismay that a Danish man who works tirelessly spreading the gospel around the world has been arrested in America over charges of smuggling arms from Mexico into America. I agree with Andrew that there is a difference between cynicism and discernment. Our steps are to grow brighter and brighter. All of his pants were tailored to reflect that. Christs Kingdom is under the control of Jesus and all who are in it obey Him. I have a friend who is going to Redding California to Bethel church under Bill Johnson to experience signs, wonders, and healing. I know many false things are going on there. Ultimately each person is responsible for themselves Romans 14:4. They watched how the Lord sent them into the Land and took victory over and over. Judge Yon Alberdi, an appointee of Obama Attorney General Eric Holder, ruled Sndergaard did not meet the requirements for asylum. Jonathan, I may be wrong but I suspect you are coming partly from the hebrew roots type of people who, for the most part, want us to go back to the Law, keeping feast days etc. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.. Stay bless. People being raised from the dead, people who were truly lame from birth given the power to walk, people who were 100% blind being able to see, etc. Billy Graham and Billy Sunday started it all they would preach for an hour, sing, and do the invitation. Where do you get your identity? A Florida immigration judge has denied evangelist Torben Sndergaard's request for asylum. Sure there will be people who say Lord did we not cast out demons, heal the sick etc. it is very doubtful that we have true Bible Christianity at all. 17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. Revealing Truth 49.6K subscribers Torben Sondergaard of the Last Reformation is a false teacher on many topics and has now been arrested for potential gun smuggling. My thoughts are this, it is absolutely a wonderful thing and most important to see this taking place in the world in which we live. Is this the way we find out first what pleases the Lord, or is it mans view of what The Lord should be pleased with? ( Am I EVER glad I didnt judge her for eating too much!!!!) Christ is displayed as being relatively, legally, morally & judicially qualified to uphold & maintain the will, the Word, the wisdom, & the work of God. Because His glory/presence is departing (Holy Spirit is grieved). We need to cry out every day to God and say Lord I want more and He loves to hear us say this. I want to speak to God in an unknown language as well! Its called jealously, wanting somethingthat someone else has (all be it unbiblical and totally ungodly). Lightning Storm, that was the point I was making the same people go to meeting after meeting manifesting the same thingsthey are not being delivered of their manifestations nor even seeking to be.they are just playing with it all and encouraging it. Share on email. Jonathan How sad it will be ONE DAY AFTER HIS COMING but for many it will be TOO LATE. Bless you. His reply? We have to go : of strange or extraordinary character : ODD, FANTASTIC, Antonyms Mat 21:25 The baptismG908of John,whencewas it? Averyl Randalls PC is down, but he is OK no doubt he will be back soon. In the early 80s, I suffered from a ruptured/prolapsed/slipped disc in my lower back. I love that statement you said, `the simplicity that is in Christ.` Yet, there are millions who say to his face, Sorry Jesus, but you neither fulfilled the law of circumcision nor water baptism. Danish TV infiltrated his ministry with undercover reporters for a documentary called "God's Best Children," which lumped Torben in with other leaders of so-called "radical Christian" ministries who had had serious moral or ethical failures or even criminal activity. I received a comment from a Discerning the World reader who said: I have just found this page recently and I find it very interesting. Ample scriptures indicate that they will appear as ministers of the gospel, not ministers of the enemy. So then, after the Lord had spoken to them, He was received up into heaven, and sat down at the right hand of God. Editing Comments: 2)God can do what HE SAID HE CAN DO I say Thank God that He is NOT a comfortable little idol that fulfills mankinds desires, dreams, and PERFORMS according to mankinds EXPECTATIONS. acting through Torben, to see if it is from God. In whatever FORM God deems necessary for the people to BELIEVE that He exists and that He is GOOD/can be TRUSTED. And Jesus, being conscious that something had flowed from Him, said to Peter, Who touched Me?, Peter replied, Why, Master, You see the crowd, and do You still ask, Who touched Me?, I know somebody touched Me, He said, for I perceive that virtue has gone out of Me. (See Mark 5:2534.) Susan healing is for everywhere, not just outside the church. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Id take issue with just one thing the gifts of healings are for the common good of both the Body of Christ (the context of 1 Corinthians 12, 13, and 14, and the public at large (where the Apostle Paul also was used of God for healing, prophecy, and so on). forward into the True thing. Barry Schmidt said: I remembered how many times in gospels it says, they came to Jesus to. Or they brought to Jesus a man who. We dont have to make it happen- God will bring people to Jesus IN US if only we will yield to Jesus and let Him use us!!! uncanny implies disquieting strangeness or mysteriousness . Knowing how His whole being, His whole nature, radiated that wondrous, blessed life of God of which He was Himself the living manifestation, she said within herself, If I can but touch His garment, I shall be healed. (See Matthew 9:21; Mark 5:28.) Fear THAT MAN! And to go forward into the `true,` is to `know Christ more,` as the Apostle Paul & Roger, here, have encouraged us to do. That HE speaks the truth in our hearts/spirit by the Spirit of truth? The prophets of baal danced, shouted and cut themselves for hours in order to try and get fire down from Heaven to consume the sacrifice. 1 Corinthians 10:1. 2. No, because man can not do these things, lest God be in us. Many people, including me, have been warning people on this blog NOT to throw the baby out with the bath water. Share on pocket. Upon reflection, Im sure Andrew regrets lumping everyone together. Thank you so much Andrew for sharing these videos with us. Unfortunately, all we have to test the spirits with is the video. (Luke 24: 27), And isn`t this what Andrew Strom is encouraging us to do, Love you all in the LordLightning Storm, you sure do keep me on my toes. The Holy Spirit will prepare that soil ACCORDING to what works with that particular person. What I understand is that the Lord desires to manifest His manifold wisdom to the powers and principalities, not to man so much. Andthey reasonedwiththemselves,saying,Ifwe shall say,Fromheaven;he will sayunto us,Whydid yenotthenbelievehim? As Ive stated before, true miracles and miraculous healings are not subject to debate as they are objective and cannot be challenged. 2 Definition of WEIRD He said it and that settles it. I would like to read the entire book. Because that which is of God is not weird but is HOLY. We are gentiles and we believe solely by faith and we do not need to be baptized in water. It occurred to me that all that was necessary was to touch the tips of my fingers on the top of the patients head, and then the vibrations would not jar her. Upon Sndergaard's arrival in the U.S. in 2019, he immediately applied for asylum and set up his residence in California while he grew his ministry. This has all transpired over the course of 8 weeks. Torben told CBN News the documentary ruined his reputation in Denmark. Philip TELEPORTED. Finally, he came up with the idea of just going from room to room in the hospital to pray for people. chas351.Thank you for your Jonathan Welton post. In 2Timothy 2 we are told that the servant of the Lord instructs but it is the Lord who will give the other person instruction. To all you dear brethren who choose to criticize, please repent and instead get out there and do it. Why cant people see this? Torben is clear-headed, informed, and full of compassion for those persecuting him. There is another guy in the pool at 2:34 min who is convulsing in the water this is Kundalini electricity. It is the Can worn them of sin & bondage without feeling like a hypocrite He is excited to share with others what GOD is doing. For all those caught up in this demonic mess and want to be set free please read this article: Seeking Salvation or Deliverance? I left it that and said, Lord Thy will be done `in His hand is a sacred censer.`, This shows the regenerative ability of the entitled Son of Man in His Creatorship & Judgeship. Are you willing to turn from your sins and put your faith / hope / trust in Jesus Christ? Indeed we are one body, a living organsim, having one head (Lord Jesus), with the body having many diverse members, each with differing giftings and callings, as determined by the one Holy Spirit. So what does it look like when you have a whole congregation full of demons, principalities, powers, rulers of wickedness, familiar spirits, witchcraft practicioners.and then the Glory of God comes to set people free all at once? The answer to that question is I most certainly try when I feel the Lord speaking to me. We should let the Lord direct people in their belief. You can be ashamed of that name if you want but I will gladly bear the reproach of that wonderful name any day! If youre not experiencing His tangible Presence in your private prayer time, youre missing the LIFE that Jesus Christ DIED TO GIVE TO EACH OF US for the salvation of the rest of the world. common, ordinary, plain, usual, Related Words But that needs to be tempered the way Jesus tempered it, otherwise there is the danger of being made into a king, and then all simplicity is lost. ha ha ha The old COIN TRICK! Dont let him do it to you. I dont even have the right words for the understanding that I do have, or think I have. And hopefully nobody will misunderstand and think you are accusing these young men of wrongdoing. I was also to understand that the reason people have these emotions for so long, is because they do not understand death, and how LIFE comes from it. I am so thankful that there are faithful saints who yield to the simplicity of the gospel and have the nerve to go out and reach people in streets. They all responded that truly God has come to Israel.. Such a sad time. They will walk into a childrens hospital and clear it out, even patients who had chemo for cancer will have their hair grow back. Holy Father, KEEP THEM IN YOUR NAME, the name which You have given Me, that they may be one even as We are. INTERVIEW WITH DR. BROWN It is not his teachings that I have flagged so much. Jesus healed him. There is something ABOUT GOD HIMSELF that we dont believe. We are to give witness to the resurrection of Jesus Christ, that He is alive in us doing the same works and even greater works. Lets all just accept each other on ONE BASIS ALONE- JESUS DEATH AND SPIRIT IN US- and lets all together just surrender and yield to His Holy Spirit in us and lets just each one do and speak whatever JESUS MOVES US TO DO AND SAY. However I can understand the skepticism of people not about the miracles but the structure and functioning of christianity. And after all, Paul himself said that ANYTHING THAT IS NOT OF FAITH IS SIN. Goodbye Christianity. 2000 years agp the worldly people called Yeshuas followers Christians. Its obvious from these verses that those performing these counterfeit miracles do so under the honest belief that they are doing them in the name of Jesus, but God is clear that they are not. Jda016, you are absolutely right on in your discernment above..it is witchcraft. Within a few minutes I felt a deep concern and compassion rise up inside of me and found my self spontaneously and effortlessly inquiring of the ladies health condition. If God lengthens a mans legs it is because He WANTS TO DO IT and because He loves the sons of men- that they would walk free of pain. We dont consider Him to have been of weak faith. And they went out and preached everywhere, the Lord working with them and confirming the word through the accompanying signs. Finally some very edifying and encouraging articles. . The elitist claims to have personal relationships with God and regularly receive divine visions. My friend, who had been talking to her, had been kneeling as he talked to her in his great earnestness. He suggested some excercises for a posture problem. It is Christ that God would have us focus on & not trying to prove that it is all history. Im not saying they are or arent, Im just saying the video evidence isnt enough since all the healings are subjective in that there is no obvious malady present, only a reported internal problem by the person supposedly healed. The rest all succumbed in the desert because of their sins and disbelief. The apostles did and signs/wonders followed. I left it months ago. I agree that Christ is the focus, and that He is the key actually (Key of David) and also that the Holy Spirit is our guide and teacher, amen. In too many of these healing/prophetic schools I am seeing far to much mixture. Next, Sister Lankford told of the man with no arm. HOW NOT TO GAIN ENTRANCE THROUGH HEAVENS GATES? All those people say they got healed and you call them liars, prove they are lying! Hi Shaun. If a man comes performing miracles in Jesus name but preaches idols- money, ambition, love of the world and anything in the world money, sensuality, power or selfish ambition- THAT MAN IS A WOLF! I think a quiet and humble response like this would be most appropriate: Sir (or Maam), what happened has nothing to do with me. Or worst, you are possibly even demon possessed according to Torben and this is what is blocking the false Holy Spirit from entering you and baptising you in FIRE. I would have liked to post what God showed me about Emma the angel being a demon. everything. It is unwarranted accusation and nit-picking. FEAR NOT is listed in the King James version144 times. You will be glad you did. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWOPcBry4-k. Time will tell if Torben has been sent by God to do the ministry works of Jesus as His ambassador on this earth. They did every technique they knew and nothing worked. Bringing the traveling road show called WIERDSVILLE into the mainstream of modern church life. to New Testament Christianity. ! I simply yielded to what Jesus wanted to do in that household! When we do so, we first learn that the word "apostle" comes from the Greek word apostolos, which means "one sent from or forth, a messenger, delegate" (Arndt and Gingrich, 1957, p. 99; Thayer, 1901, p. 68). God I know every true child of God wants to get in the game and see Jesus move and love and work in them and through them. I promised her I did not get your email but will ask about it on the forum as I will also love it, as she said she is finding it difficult to post , not sure of the cause. Amen Barry, the things I have encountered and seen are incredibly weird. Revelation shows that, in the end, people will curse God because of the plagues yet still refuse to repent. All I was doing was pointing out that the video evidence alone doesnt prove what it purports to prove. 12..mainly that people try to put their brothers and sisters into a box, a box made in their own image. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQrTjbzbByA. Try it you will like it!!! The choice to believe that God heals today is choice made by each believer. Update from Friends of Torben. WHO does the SANCTIFYING? in a way that made us click together like old friends right away. Here is your test- Bitter and sweet water do not flow forth from the same fountain. Trenton its better to show a little wisdom and not say anything but spend some time in prayer and seek the mind of the Lord, then to say something you will regret later when God reveals all things. The Hebrews had been praying for over 400 years and received no freedom from their judgment of slaverythey were filled with UNBELIEF. If this work of Torben is not of God then it will come to nothing, but if it is of God then God Himself will confirm His word and His minister. He had no interest in any institutional organization with worldly offices and laws. Jda 016, Watchful- THIS work of God in us is holiness. Some fall into the ditch Amen. God will move you along as fast as your faith will allow. Jhn 17:19 NASB For their sakes I sanctify Myself, that they themselves also may be sanctified in truth. (2 Co 11:3-4), From my experience people who blindly follow Torben and the Last Reformation tend to be shallow, immature very rude and judgmental if you dont exclusively follow all their teachings like water baptism as a requirement for salvation and that everything is a demon that needs to be cast out. That is how Jesus does what He wants to do thru us. Fewer religious spirits to break through maybe? In 2011, he started the evangelical Christian movement known . As of about 2022, Lene is now 46 years old and born on April 5, 1976. He also began the Jesus Center in Denmark, which trained disciples from 30 nations to spread this message around the world. In the book of Acts we see many situations of water immersions or baptism. None of them literally follow Matthew 28. Finally a few good religious folk got ahold of him, and told him he couldnt do that. Thats it. So the Hebrews ASSUMED THEY KNEW GODS FORMULA FOR SUCCESS. However, I dont perceive any self motivation from Torben. The False Unholy Spirit of Fire, Torben Sndergaard Last Reformation of Lies, Gift of Speaking in Tongues, Prophecy and Healing. I do not see anything wrong with what they are doing. But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. are called to go out and minister in the same, whether it is videoed or not! But I still have many concerns, some of which were raised from Andrew Stroms own article. If you dont believe that my testing of the spirits is being done in a biblical manner, then maybe you could suggest what you believe would be a proper biblical way to test the spirits. Help us continue to be a voice for truth in the media by supporting CBN News for as little as $1. Just because Torben says he is doing this in the name of Jesus, doesnt mean he is actually doing it in the name of Jesus. For instance, if God can stretch a leg out 1/2 or so, why not find an amputee and in the name of Jesus command the limb to grow back? Brother Seymour asked the crowd, Would you like to see God have a wonderful time here tonight? Barry I am that lady!! Amen. Who is the one who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God? . John 9:4 OMG! But God has` His keys,`for studying His Word. What Averyl said is very sensible. It is very important for the Pentecostal/Charismatic/Apostolic and Prophetic/Hebrew Roots Movement to baptize people in water: These pastors believe they are part of the Apostolic succession (the same as the Catholic Church) and todays so called Christian church is supposed to be part of the false doctrine of the lost tribes of Israel and we apparently need to realize this and be part of the Last Reformation that the Vatican is raising so as to enter and take over Jerusalem with their one world religion. Further, He personally commissioned them to perform these miracles. He said that it would not only be one or two places, but it would be all over the country. This is what every believer should be doing preach the gospel, heal the sick, cast out demons. 3.Arent all the epistles (Rom to Rev) written to baptized(fully immersed) communities who started taking up their cross to follow Jesus pattern1Ti 1:16? 3 And he said to them, To what then were you baptized? For more information see the About this Website page below the comments section. It has got to the point where I can hardly All I can say is that if Paul twice said he feared for the church of Corinth, then it shouId be ok for us to feel similar concern as well when it is warranted. Just like Jesus did with his own disciples. The Call of Jesus, by Torben Sondergaard, is like an easy to understand instruction manual pulled from Scripture to help us effectively live the life to which Jesus has called us. Both of these ditches are equally dangerous. Theres a schism in the church; those who believe Acts was for that time only, and those who believe that the empowerment that happened in Acts is for the churchs lifetime until He returns. He believes that the Holy Spirit, acting through him, can heal people. There may have been those that didnt respond in love and in a true biblical manner to honestly test the spirits, but to generalize anyone who didnt believe the video as true biblical healing as a cynic was wrong to do. You guys talk of not judging others, but then judge me as a skeptic. He loves those hungry believers. , (John 1:33) And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.. Regarding sending out new believers to heal people, I dont see the parallels to that in the New Testament. Always listen to the teaching and doctrine of the one doing the miracles first and second if you are able check out the fruit (lifestyle) of the one doing miracles. He had gout and after two weeks of taking his meds and diet, he was still getting worse. As Jeff Moore so elegantly wrote, Why should the Devil have all the good music? Besides which, you dont hear this kind of thing preached. But where are these authentic Jesus miracles in WIERDSVILLE ? There are believers like me who are VERY cynical about some guy on the internet who claims to be able to heal people like this gentleman is doing. Chas351 God has not changed, He still does miracles as signs following the gospel, and praise Him for it! He explained that the Lord always required him to begin his ministry this way. He was baptized as a baby in the state church and later confirmed, but it was only because of tradition. Jesus had His disciples with him for a year or more, probably every day, before sending them out. signs/wonders (using the gifts given us) will follow and subsequently souls saved for the Kingdom. Marilyn. It would be hard for God to grow a leg out when the wooden leg is attached. Dont forget Old testament where the axe head raised up out of the water, and poisoned waters were made drinkable. It's time we start obeying Jesus' words and make disciples of all nations. But as Teshuva said the enemy will come to try and destroy the works of God, it is not a matter of if, it is only a matter of when, so it is a kindness when the enemy is seen coming in the distance that someone warns of it. I know his It is not a judgment nor an accusation, we have seen so little of the body of Christ functioning in the many various giftings that we dont know the difference any more. I turn on the water in our shower and, lo and behold, all the dirt, dust etc. I honestly dont consider my understanding of this to be fully formed yet (ie, interpreting/understanding scripture) so Im reluctant to even try to discuss it in writing until I have a better grasp of things. Sorry, but Torben is so real and sincere.. But it seems there is a lot of cynicism out there. Outline of Biblical Usage, https://www.blueletterbible.org/lexicon/g908/kjv/tr/0-1/. Watch this video about the people of God revealing the glory of God and you too will do the works of Jesus: http://youtu.be/03hWzOCzZ9k. Leaving them to hunger and thirst after more. So I would like to ask you about a danish evangelist Torben Sondergaard. (John said no one can have anything unless God gives it to him Jn3:27), Isaiah Saldivar is doing the same thing today>, http://www.youtube.com/user/TheAwakening209. The arm had been totally severed at the shoulder. That is a place where the sick could experience salvation and healing. Yes, the Todd Bentley type situation has made people skeptical in a more overt sense, however the discomfort with many issues rooted in spiritual deception in the practice and structure of christianity, already existed. Also available on most smart TVs and streaming services. Each time they went into battle, THEY INQUIRED OF THE LORD and the Lord told them to put the Ark of the Lord in front of them..and VOILA..they won the battle. 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